Comments on: The zone-read, gun triple-option . . . and the quadruple-option? http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option Analysis and strategy by Chris. Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:35:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: David http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-3007 David Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:36:40 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-3007 The trick here is that Illegal Man Downfield is never called in the CFL so many teams will run their entire pass package out of a zone-read type of action (see: Montreal). You can essentially run any concept from this including bunched and clustered releases (where you zone to the weak-side and pull to the field) and you have a built-in run option in case the defence drops into a cover 4 look or wants to take a linebacker out of the box. This "quadruple option" is very effective (and common!) in the CFL. The trick here is that Illegal Man Downfield is never called in the CFL so many teams will run their entire pass package out of a zone-read type of action (see: Montreal). You can essentially run any concept from this including bunched and clustered releases (where you zone to the weak-side and pull to the field) and you have a built-in run option in case the defence drops into a cover 4 look or wants to take a linebacker out of the box. This “quadruple option” is very effective (and common!) in the CFL.

]]> By: Dallas http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-476 Dallas Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:11:30 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-476 Chris, did you happen to get a chance to look at the Auburn-Louisiana Tech game last night? If not, one of the plays we ran looked like another variant of this concept, even though I'm almost positive it was predetermined (I was at the other end of the stadium when it happened). Todd faked inside zone to Tate, then pitched to Burns, who threw a pass to Trott. It was overthrown because, after all, it was Kodi Burns, but still, it was a neat concept. I was wondering what you thought of that sort of quadruple option; that is, having the QB zone read with a pitch phase, then allowing the pitch man to read the widest pass defender and either running or throwing it to the wide receiver on a streak, fade, or what have you. Sounds like something that could even work, in theory, for a more conventional option attack. Chris, did you happen to get a chance to look at the Auburn-Louisiana Tech game last night? If not, one of the plays we ran looked like another variant of this concept, even though I’m almost positive it was predetermined (I was at the other end of the stadium when it happened). Todd faked inside zone to Tate, then pitched to Burns, who threw a pass to Trott. It was overthrown because, after all, it was Kodi Burns, but still, it was a neat concept. I was wondering what you thought of that sort of quadruple option; that is, having the QB zone read with a pitch phase, then allowing the pitch man to read the widest pass defender and either running or throwing it to the wide receiver on a streak, fade, or what have you. Sounds like something that could even work, in theory, for a more conventional option attack.

]]> By: Hector S http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-451 Hector S Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:16:34 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-451 Tulsa just threw what it looked like a Quad Option pass in the fourth quarter vs. Tulane. QB did a Zone Read, kept the ball and ran which would've been a first down but threw the ball right at the LOS since the defender left the receiver to get the QB. It was originally ruled an illegal foward pass by the refs since the pass was thrown THAT close to the line. But after a replay, it was overturned and the TD put Tulsa up 37-13 with 1:40 left in the fourth. I'm sure this will be Youtubed by the end of the night from somewhere. Tulsa just threw what it looked like a Quad Option pass in the fourth quarter vs. Tulane. QB did a Zone Read, kept the ball and ran which would’ve been a first down but threw the ball right at the LOS since the defender left the receiver to get the QB. It was originally ruled an illegal foward pass by the refs since the pass was thrown THAT close to the line. But after a replay, it was overturned and the TD put Tulsa up 37-13 with 1:40 left in the fourth.

I’m sure this will be Youtubed by the end of the night from somewhere.

]]> By: Mr.Murder http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-239 Mr.Murder Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:57:37 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-239 To topic, we worked the bubble in quite well early using the outside on a very hard slant/sit. Some other form changes may have to occur to use it in games with a weight rule changing a runner position.... To topic, we worked the bubble in quite well early using the outside on a very hard slant/sit. Some other form changes may have to occur to use it in games with a weight rule changing a runner position….

]]> By: Mr.Murder http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-238 Mr.Murder Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:43:38 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-238 We've had so much trouble getting any kind of guard play that getting from under center is rough. We've been doing gun snaps and running a trips side one way with the back coming across for screens and draws as a solution. A lot of stuff looks to be ready in the series from the initial practice, the toughest item might be running protections from trips side. We end up with an air rusher getting the passer's face for one of the hot reads, I'm trying to get a shovel constraint built in to become automatic if the back cannot reach the end from the other side. We have two man numbers opposite trips to keep our route combos intact and to lead the QB out all the way otherwise if the backside gives us any numbers since the TE always reaches his man. The biggest issue is that a shovel needs depth to develop and we can't have the passer get too far back in his set with a short edge to one side for all of the other looks. He's decent runner as well and has a good sense of when to create and when to look for someone working to him on checkdowns. If we can limit that initial screamer I'm confident in his ability to handle heavy pressure. He tends to lock onto the hot when he could bring the play outside, we run verts at the most likely player to wall people along with the safety, just to keep them pinned inside and work one player outside of it. We rotate who gets the short or outside route and everyone else switches out clear duty. The go always screams it deep and the slant inside of that pins the wall man, he settles in space or continues on the MOFO track if the inside clears the safety on the go. We’ve had so much trouble getting any kind of guard play that getting from under center is rough. We’ve been doing gun snaps and running a trips side one way with the back coming across for screens and draws as a solution. A lot of stuff looks to be ready in the series from the initial practice, the toughest item might be running protections from trips side. We end up with an air rusher getting the passer’s face for one of the hot reads, I’m trying to get a shovel constraint built in to become automatic if the back cannot reach the end from the other side. We have two man numbers opposite trips to keep our route combos intact and to lead the QB out all the way otherwise if the backside gives us any numbers since the TE always reaches his man.

The biggest issue is that a shovel needs depth to develop and we can’t have the passer get too far back in his set with a short edge to one side for all of the other looks.

He’s decent runner as well and has a good sense of when to create and when to look for someone working to him on checkdowns. If we can limit that initial screamer I’m confident in his ability to handle heavy pressure.

He tends to lock onto the hot when he could bring the play outside, we run verts at the most likely player to wall people along with the safety, just to keep them pinned inside and work one player outside of it. We rotate who gets the short or outside route and everyone else switches out clear duty. The go always screams it deep and the slant inside of that pins the wall man, he settles in space or continues on the MOFO track if the inside clears the safety on the go.

]]> By: Mason http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-117 Mason Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:20:31 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-117 also think about playing the zone as a counter to get an additional edge on devensive "pre-snap playside" adjustments. also think about playing the zone as a counter to get an additional edge on devensive “pre-snap playside” adjustments.

]]> By: Jon http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-53 Jon Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:17:04 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-53 We have a 5 version or quintuple. Out of a 2x2 formation (gun) both slots will bubble and we will run zone/read... 1. Tight alley defender to the left...QB catches and throws bubble to the left 2. Tight alley defender to the right...QB catches and throws bubble to the right 3. Both alleys are wide on slots so QB runs zone read with back...End comes up the field so RB gets handoff 4. Both alleys are wide on slots so QB runs zone read with back...End crashes so QB keeps and runs 5. Both alleys are wide on slots so QB runs zone read with back...End crashes so QB keeps...alley commits to QB on run and QB throws bubble late to slot (slot already ran immediate bubble, he doesn't get the ball so he slows his tempo and stays behind the L.O.S. or the QB for the late bubble) It's been good/fun to coach. We have a 5 version or quintuple.

Out of a 2×2 formation (gun) both slots will bubble and we will run zone/read…

1. Tight alley defender to the left…QB catches and throws bubble to the left
2. Tight alley defender to the right…QB catches and throws bubble to the right
3. Both alleys are wide on slots so QB runs zone read with back…End comes up the field so RB gets handoff
4. Both alleys are wide on slots so QB runs zone read with back…End crashes so QB keeps and runs
5. Both alleys are wide on slots so QB runs zone read with back…End crashes so QB keeps…alley commits to QB on run and QB throws bubble late to slot (slot already ran immediate bubble, he doesn’t get the ball so he slows his tempo and stays behind the L.O.S. or the QB for the late bubble)

It’s been good/fun to coach.

]]> By: Chris http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-37 Chris Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:23:37 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-37 I can't embed this video and will mention it later, but check out this video from Canada. http://www.cfl.ca/video/index/id/7907 Specifically, check out the 2:50 mark; they run the read-plus-fade/out combo I described (though I think they do it with the veer). The QB throws the fade. A linemen began to get downfield but recovered. I can’t embed this video and will mention it later, but check out this video from Canada.

http://www.cfl.ca/video/index/id/7907

Specifically, check out the 2:50 mark; they run the read-plus-fade/out combo I described (though I think they do it with the veer). The QB throws the fade. A linemen began to get downfield but recovered.

]]> By: Zach http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-32 Zach Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:40:09 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-32 Mind = exploded. Like the new site, glad the old stuff won't be lost, even if it couldn't be ported over. Mind = exploded. Like the new site, glad the old stuff won’t be lost, even if it couldn’t be ported over.

]]> By: Brophy http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option/comment-page-1#comment-29 Brophy Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:47:28 +0000 http://smartfootball.com/?p=85#comment-29 I could be wrong, but if i remember correctly, this originally (Clemson/WVU days) was PLAYSIDE bubble with stretch read. It would be interesting to review the evolution of this play and when the "light came" on to completely screw backside give and pitch keys. I could be wrong, but if i remember correctly, this originally (Clemson/WVU days) was PLAYSIDE bubble with stretch read. It would be interesting to review the evolution of this play and when the “light came” on to completely screw backside give and pitch keys.

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