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		<title>By: Topher</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/grab-bag/chuck-klosterman-gets-it-and-the-best-sentences-i-read-today/comment-page-1#comment-1808</link>
		<dc:creator>Topher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spread - I didn&#039;t want to criticize, I was just noting that it sounded like you combined styles rather than ditching one for the other - always a smart move. If you kept a Wing-T style you were a step ahead of the zone running games in pass-first shotgun offenses, giving your package that much more punch. Hope you are having success!

The spread formation also gives you good passing options on the edge (single-coverage fades, screens, bubble screens) that don&#039;t require large amounts of practice time the way a full drop-back passing game does, but that you can&#039;t get in a tight Wing-T setup.

When I was in college (DIII), we played a shotgun team that ran lots of power and counter, and a bit of zone read before it was hip to do so. That cemented to me that you can run a &quot;real&quot; misdirection rushing offense out of the gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spread &#8211; I didn&#8217;t want to criticize, I was just noting that it sounded like you combined styles rather than ditching one for the other &#8211; always a smart move. If you kept a Wing-T style you were a step ahead of the zone running games in pass-first shotgun offenses, giving your package that much more punch. Hope you are having success!</p>
<p>The spread formation also gives you good passing options on the edge (single-coverage fades, screens, bubble screens) that don&#8217;t require large amounts of practice time the way a full drop-back passing game does, but that you can&#8217;t get in a tight Wing-T setup.</p>
<p>When I was in college (DIII), we played a shotgun team that ran lots of power and counter, and a bit of zone read before it was hip to do so. That cemented to me that you can run a &#8220;real&#8221; misdirection rushing offense out of the gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Spread Offense</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/grab-bag/chuck-klosterman-gets-it-and-the-best-sentences-i-read-today/comment-page-1#comment-1777</link>
		<dc:creator>Spread Offense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Topher - You can see the difference of gaining an extra blocking surface (aka: another blocker or &#039;9 blockers vs 10 blockers&#039;) when you run the counter with the QB (or &#039;single wing/dual threat athlete) as opposed to a QB in the wing-t handing the ball off to the TB to run the counter.

I do agree it is the same &#039;counter&#039; play, but with an extra blocker at the POA or offensive skill player the defense has to account for on the perimeter.

On another point, in 1995 everyone associated a &#039;shot gun&#039; formation with a Roger Staubach type offense or &#039;run and shoot&#039; that was pass heavy ala the Houston Oilers at the time. Not many (if any) incorporated a run philosophy with a counter scheme out of the shot-gun, that was the part of it that hit me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topher &#8211; You can see the difference of gaining an extra blocking surface (aka: another blocker or &#8217;9 blockers vs 10 blockers&#8217;) when you run the counter with the QB (or &#8216;single wing/dual threat athlete) as opposed to a QB in the wing-t handing the ball off to the TB to run the counter.</p>
<p>I do agree it is the same &#8216;counter&#8217; play, but with an extra blocker at the POA or offensive skill player the defense has to account for on the perimeter.</p>
<p>On another point, in 1995 everyone associated a &#8216;shot gun&#8217; formation with a Roger Staubach type offense or &#8216;run and shoot&#8217; that was pass heavy ala the Houston Oilers at the time. Not many (if any) incorporated a run philosophy with a counter scheme out of the shot-gun, that was the part of it that hit me.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wyatt wildcat is a tight double wing version of the double T (dual T), the backs receiving the snap being so close to the snapper as to have much more T formation character than single wing.  The other types of wildcat are much closer or identical to shotugn than to single wing, because in wildcat and shotgun the snap does not lead the receiver of the snap; rather, the snap is caught flat footed or backpedaling.  In single wing (or short punt or Notre Dame box or Tulsa box) the snap is a lead, something you can&#039;t say of either the Wyatt or other wildcats.

The pro &amp; college wildcat exists only as a package within a broader offense.  If that were the primary formation the team used, you&#039;d just call it shotgun.  You call it &quot;wildcat&quot; or some such only because the player receiving the snap is different from the player they have receiving the snap otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wyatt wildcat is a tight double wing version of the double T (dual T), the backs receiving the snap being so close to the snapper as to have much more T formation character than single wing.  The other types of wildcat are much closer or identical to shotugn than to single wing, because in wildcat and shotgun the snap does not lead the receiver of the snap; rather, the snap is caught flat footed or backpedaling.  In single wing (or short punt or Notre Dame box or Tulsa box) the snap is a lead, something you can&#8217;t say of either the Wyatt or other wildcats.</p>
<p>The pro &amp; college wildcat exists only as a package within a broader offense.  If that were the primary formation the team used, you&#8217;d just call it shotgun.  You call it &#8220;wildcat&#8221; or some such only because the player receiving the snap is different from the player they have receiving the snap otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Metzger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have an excellent column and this is one of the few responses that I have posted. What you didn&#039;t &quot;get&quot; is that the Qb is the Tb in the shot gun spread; that is why  most of the spreads and Wildkats that we are seeing are simply the Single Wing from years ago.  From what I&#039;ve read a l,ot of people had the same problem making the shift from the Single Wing to the T until it started having a lot of success.  Also please  be aware of the Single wing blocking schemes that made they way to the Wing-T as designed by Iowa and Delaware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have an excellent column and this is one of the few responses that I have posted. What you didn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; is that the Qb is the Tb in the shot gun spread; that is why  most of the spreads and Wildkats that we are seeing are simply the Single Wing from years ago.  From what I&#8217;ve read a l,ot of people had the same problem making the shift from the Single Wing to the T until it started having a lot of success.  Also please  be aware of the Single wing blocking schemes that made they way to the Wing-T as designed by Iowa and Delaware.</p>
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		<title>By: Topher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When the ball was snapped and Frazier faked the hand-off across his face to Phillips who filled backside and the guard/tackle pulled playside for the classic counter ‘kick-out/gut’ blocks with Frazier right behind them… it was like seeing heaven!

I went from a dedicated delaware wing-t guy to a shot gun (dual threat – I get it) spread offense guy in about 5 seconds…&quot;

I find your statement incongruous, since the play you describe sounds like a bona fide Wing-T counter play, just run out of the shotgun (drawn up on a board, it&#039;s like Frazier is the halfback and they just removed the under-center QB from the action entirely. You must run quite a package, since I&#039;ve seen very few spread offenses that were sophisticated in the run blocking (most are simple zone/I-formation blocking with the formation taking away defensive numbers).

But if you took Wing-T plays and moved them into a shotgun package, sounds like a good plan and more power to you. That&#039;s exactly what Hugh Wyatt was doing when he invented the Wildcat package in the late 90&#039;s - running his Wing-T-influenced Double Wing offense with a direct snap to deal with the fact his quarterback went down in practice.

What&#039;s so interesting about football is how the &quot;advances&quot; do in cycles, combining old-but-new-again ideas with the latest stuff to make hybrid schemes that become novel themselves. And the same advances can be made independently across the country, for different reasons, evolving into very similar schemes but with different motivations.

This all the more sillifies the NFL pundits&#039; claim that there is a platonic &quot;true offense&quot; and the rest is just gimmicks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When the ball was snapped and Frazier faked the hand-off across his face to Phillips who filled backside and the guard/tackle pulled playside for the classic counter ‘kick-out/gut’ blocks with Frazier right behind them… it was like seeing heaven!</p>
<p>I went from a dedicated delaware wing-t guy to a shot gun (dual threat – I get it) spread offense guy in about 5 seconds…&#8221;</p>
<p>I find your statement incongruous, since the play you describe sounds like a bona fide Wing-T counter play, just run out of the shotgun (drawn up on a board, it&#8217;s like Frazier is the halfback and they just removed the under-center QB from the action entirely. You must run quite a package, since I&#8217;ve seen very few spread offenses that were sophisticated in the run blocking (most are simple zone/I-formation blocking with the formation taking away defensive numbers).</p>
<p>But if you took Wing-T plays and moved them into a shotgun package, sounds like a good plan and more power to you. That&#8217;s exactly what Hugh Wyatt was doing when he invented the Wildcat package in the late 90&#8242;s &#8211; running his Wing-T-influenced Double Wing offense with a direct snap to deal with the fact his quarterback went down in practice.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s so interesting about football is how the &#8220;advances&#8221; do in cycles, combining old-but-new-again ideas with the latest stuff to make hybrid schemes that become novel themselves. And the same advances can be made independently across the country, for different reasons, evolving into very similar schemes but with different motivations.</p>
<p>This all the more sillifies the NFL pundits&#8217; claim that there is a platonic &#8220;true offense&#8221; and the rest is just gimmicks.</p>
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		<title>By: Thursday morning buffet &#171; Get The Picture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thursday morning buffet &#171; Get The Picture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Brown&#8217;s got some good stuff from a new book he read. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Brown&#8217;s got some good stuff from a new book he read. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Paddock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Paddock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My one and only gripe with the Klostermann piece is his perpetuation of the Bob &quot;Tiny&quot; Maxwell myth. I just finished writing my senior research thesis on Theodore Roosevelt and his involvement in the creation of the NCAA. Roosevelt really didn&#039;t have much to do with the reform movement in college football. In my opinion he was a figurehead (albeit an important one.) In October 1905 Roosevelt called a meeting at the White House between himself and the heads of Harvard, Princeton and Yale (&quot;The Big Three&quot;) to discuss the violence in football. The problem with the Maxwell myth is that a) the White House meeting was scheduled several weeks BEFORE the Swarthmore game in question and b) no record of the photograph exists. The person, according to my research, who had the most impact was Henry MacCracken. He was the chancellor of NYU and had called a meeting of 13 football playing schools (and a subsequent meeting of 64 schools) to discuss rule changes neccessary to the game. He called that meeting AFTER the Big Three dragged their feet and proved less than willing to pursue real reform. Roosevelt also had no legal authority to ban college football, except at the service acadamies through his role as commander-in-chief.

I realize this is a serious case of splitting hairs and doesn&#039;t take anything away from the Klosterman piece. However, when you spend so much time on a subject (no matter how esoteric it is) you want to set the record straight whenever possible. 

At the risk of shameless self-promotion my e-mail address is joshuapaddock@hotmail.com, and if anyone is interested I&#039;d be more than happy to send you a copy of my thesis or share my research. I&#039;m thinking of expanding this for my master&#039;s thesis and I would gladly welcome criticism from intellectual football fans like yourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My one and only gripe with the Klostermann piece is his perpetuation of the Bob &#8220;Tiny&#8221; Maxwell myth. I just finished writing my senior research thesis on Theodore Roosevelt and his involvement in the creation of the NCAA. Roosevelt really didn&#8217;t have much to do with the reform movement in college football. In my opinion he was a figurehead (albeit an important one.) In October 1905 Roosevelt called a meeting at the White House between himself and the heads of Harvard, Princeton and Yale (&#8220;The Big Three&#8221;) to discuss the violence in football. The problem with the Maxwell myth is that a) the White House meeting was scheduled several weeks BEFORE the Swarthmore game in question and b) no record of the photograph exists. The person, according to my research, who had the most impact was Henry MacCracken. He was the chancellor of NYU and had called a meeting of 13 football playing schools (and a subsequent meeting of 64 schools) to discuss rule changes neccessary to the game. He called that meeting AFTER the Big Three dragged their feet and proved less than willing to pursue real reform. Roosevelt also had no legal authority to ban college football, except at the service acadamies through his role as commander-in-chief.</p>
<p>I realize this is a serious case of splitting hairs and doesn&#8217;t take anything away from the Klosterman piece. However, when you spend so much time on a subject (no matter how esoteric it is) you want to set the record straight whenever possible. </p>
<p>At the risk of shameless self-promotion my e-mail address is <a href="mailto:joshuapaddock@hotmail.com">joshuapaddock@hotmail.com</a>, and if anyone is interested I&#8217;d be more than happy to send you a copy of my thesis or share my research. I&#8217;m thinking of expanding this for my master&#8217;s thesis and I would gladly welcome criticism from intellectual football fans like yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: MTK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Football allows the intellectual part of my brain to evolve, but it allows the emotional part to remain unchanged.&quot;  It must be rewarding for Klosterman to write what everyone feels but cannot otherwise communicate.  That&#039;s a beautiful sentence, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Football allows the intellectual part of my brain to evolve, but it allows the emotional part to remain unchanged.&#8221;  It must be rewarding for Klosterman to write what everyone feels but cannot otherwise communicate.  That&#8217;s a beautiful sentence, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: OldSouth</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldSouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coaching hopeful, you&#039;re right, I did use a poor example. Perhaps a better one might be the liberalization of forward pass rules once strategy moved in that direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coaching hopeful, you&#8217;re right, I did use a poor example. Perhaps a better one might be the liberalization of forward pass rules once strategy moved in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Spread Offense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spread Offense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff and thanks for sharing. My &#039;holy sh*it&#039; moment was in 1995 when Tommie Frazier got into the shot gun and Dr Osborne sent in the QB counter play. When the ball was snapped and Frazier faked the hand-off across his face to Phillips who filled backside and the guard/tackle pulled playside for the classic counter &#039;kick-out/gut&#039; blocks with Frazier right behind them... it was like seeing heaven!

I went from a dedicated delaware wing-t guy to a shot gun (dual threat - I get it) spread offense guy in about 5 seconds... sort of like leaving your girlfriend of 4 years after one look from a girl in a bar! (or something... ??)

What a great game... looking forward to the future and more &#039;disruptive innovations&#039;.

One thing I&#039;ll end with... the field&#039;s always going to be 53.4 yds by 100 yds.. that&#039;s not changing... so the concept of &#039;spreading&#039; the field and leveraging the numbers that a dual threat &#039;athlete&#039; accepting the snap in a shot-gun gives an offense will continue to lead the innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff and thanks for sharing. My &#8216;holy sh*it&#8217; moment was in 1995 when Tommie Frazier got into the shot gun and Dr Osborne sent in the QB counter play. When the ball was snapped and Frazier faked the hand-off across his face to Phillips who filled backside and the guard/tackle pulled playside for the classic counter &#8216;kick-out/gut&#8217; blocks with Frazier right behind them&#8230; it was like seeing heaven!</p>
<p>I went from a dedicated delaware wing-t guy to a shot gun (dual threat &#8211; I get it) spread offense guy in about 5 seconds&#8230; sort of like leaving your girlfriend of 4 years after one look from a girl in a bar! (or something&#8230; ??)</p>
<p>What a great game&#8230; looking forward to the future and more &#8216;disruptive innovations&#8217;.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ll end with&#8230; the field&#8217;s always going to be 53.4 yds by 100 yds.. that&#8217;s not changing&#8230; so the concept of &#8216;spreading&#8217; the field and leveraging the numbers that a dual threat &#8216;athlete&#8217; accepting the snap in a shot-gun gives an offense will continue to lead the innovation.</p>
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