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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/game-management/two-coaching-decisions-a-review/comment-page-2#comment-1238</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally agree with Mike Leach&#039;s decision.  The one thing I would question is his choosing to go with a qb sneak.  TTU is not necessarily known as a power running school.  Barring that, I think the chances of allowing the other team to go 99 yds for the TD are extremely slim, thereby justifying the risk.

As far as scenario 2, I cannot pass judgment on that.  Part of me wants to say that calling the timeout to buy your O more time shows no faith in your D.  Although X&#039;s and O&#039;s are important, whats going on between the ears of your players is equally important, and you need every bit of juice you can get on the goal line.  However, calling that timeout, getting the right play called, and buying your players a breather is also a plus.  In the end I think this is an emotional decision which can only be made by a coach on the sideline, who has a good feel for his players and coaches; and then he has to pray it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally agree with Mike Leach&#8217;s decision.  The one thing I would question is his choosing to go with a qb sneak.  TTU is not necessarily known as a power running school.  Barring that, I think the chances of allowing the other team to go 99 yds for the TD are extremely slim, thereby justifying the risk.</p>
<p>As far as scenario 2, I cannot pass judgment on that.  Part of me wants to say that calling the timeout to buy your O more time shows no faith in your D.  Although X&#8217;s and O&#8217;s are important, whats going on between the ears of your players is equally important, and you need every bit of juice you can get on the goal line.  However, calling that timeout, getting the right play called, and buying your players a breather is also a plus.  In the end I think this is an emotional decision which can only be made by a coach on the sideline, who has a good feel for his players and coaches; and then he has to pray it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/game-management/two-coaching-decisions-a-review/comment-page-2#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While watching the ND/Purdue game I thought I saw Clausen indicate he wanted to spike the ball. I thought it was clear ND wanted to stop the clock. Did anyone else see that or am I revising history?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While watching the ND/Purdue game I thought I saw Clausen indicate he wanted to spike the ball. I thought it was clear ND wanted to stop the clock. Did anyone else see that or am I revising history?</p>
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		<title>By: feralboy12</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/game-management/two-coaching-decisions-a-review/comment-page-2#comment-1235</link>
		<dc:creator>feralboy12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By going for it on 4th and 1, you&#039;re challenging your team to win the game.  Kicking the field goal is playing not to lose, and tells your guys you don&#039;t think they can gain a yard.  This has an effect within and beyond the current game.
Remember, football is played by human beings, with human emotions that can play a significant role.  So go for it.
And your endgame strategy should never bank on the opponent being stupid.  Smart coach gets two plays run in 36 seconds, especially coming off a run when they don&#039;t have to run to the line of scrimmage.  The timeout gets you the ball back if they score, and also gives you a chance to set your defense.  Confusion is normal in this situation; make sure everyone knows their responsibilities and give them a chance to breathe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By going for it on 4th and 1, you&#8217;re challenging your team to win the game.  Kicking the field goal is playing not to lose, and tells your guys you don&#8217;t think they can gain a yard.  This has an effect within and beyond the current game.<br />
Remember, football is played by human beings, with human emotions that can play a significant role.  So go for it.<br />
And your endgame strategy should never bank on the opponent being stupid.  Smart coach gets two plays run in 36 seconds, especially coming off a run when they don&#8217;t have to run to the line of scrimmage.  The timeout gets you the ball back if they score, and also gives you a chance to set your defense.  Confusion is normal in this situation; make sure everyone knows their responsibilities and give them a chance to breathe.</p>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/game-management/two-coaching-decisions-a-review/comment-page-2#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m going to toss in my $.02 on the Leach decision. In my book, you kick the FG and go up by eight. Here&#039;s why.

Going up by eight *almost* makes it a two-possession lead. Obviously, Houston has to a) score a TD, then b) nail a 2-point conversion. Per NCAA statistics, 2-point conversion rates are a shade over 40%, meaning that the percentages are in my favor, and the *worst* case scenario is that the game is tied. Heck, if it all worked right, I might have the ball with a few seconds left with a chance to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m going to toss in my $.02 on the Leach decision. In my book, you kick the FG and go up by eight. Here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>Going up by eight *almost* makes it a two-possession lead. Obviously, Houston has to a) score a TD, then b) nail a 2-point conversion. Per NCAA statistics, 2-point conversion rates are a shade over 40%, meaning that the percentages are in my favor, and the *worst* case scenario is that the game is tied. Heck, if it all worked right, I might have the ball with a few seconds left with a chance to win.</p>
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		<title>By: atepesm</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/game-management/two-coaching-decisions-a-review/comment-page-2#comment-1163</link>
		<dc:creator>atepesm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howabout some stats to support my statement that Clausen had a good game (in the last post)? 

Clausen was only on the field for 24 of the 74 plays ND ran this last Saturday vs. Purdue.

Another thought . . . to add to consider when looking at Coach Hope&#039;s decision.  Is Purdue known for its defense? Nope.  Is ND known for its offense? Currently, yes.  

Hence, Coach Hope was smart to recognize that his team&#039;s weakness, was a weakness, and that Purdue might need time at the end of the game to try to score one more time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howabout some stats to support my statement that Clausen had a good game (in the last post)? </p>
<p>Clausen was only on the field for 24 of the 74 plays ND ran this last Saturday vs. Purdue.</p>
<p>Another thought . . . to add to consider when looking at Coach Hope&#8217;s decision.  Is Purdue known for its defense? Nope.  Is ND known for its offense? Currently, yes.  </p>
<p>Hence, Coach Hope was smart to recognize that his team&#8217;s weakness, was a weakness, and that Purdue might need time at the end of the game to try to score one more time.</p>
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		<title>By: atepesm</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/game-management/two-coaching-decisions-a-review/comment-page-2#comment-1158</link>
		<dc:creator>atepesm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For scenario 2, there is a lot of stupid commentary in this comments section that doesn&#039;t understand whats going on.

ND &amp; Clausen were sucking?  Clausen played a total of 4 or 5 series total in the entire game, due to injury.  On the drive that had ND in the Purdue red zone at the end of the game, Clausen had gone 6/9 for 70 yards.  Clausen was on fire getting ND DEEP into Purdue&#039;s red zone.

And based on ND&#039;s last 3-4 games, ND has been top 15 in the country for scoring points.  

Hence, Coach Hopes assumption that ND is going to score is a pretty safe bet.  Doesn&#039;t matter if its one or 2 plays, ND is probably going to score.

In fact, in the last 5 ND games, ND has never been stopped when within the 10 yard line of the opposing team.  They have always walked away with points.

Likewise, the 4th down play that Weis was going to spike the ball and call was a play the coach was extremely confident in (its a Patriots staple that SmartFootball/Chris Brown even wrote about when describing routes that Wes Welker runs ... http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/happy-feet-how-wes-welker-makes-the-patriots-go/ ... see diagram 1, flip play, change personnel &amp; formation and bingo, that&#039;s the play ND won the game on).

Yes, Weis got to call an extra play. But Coach Weis was also extremely confident in his 4th down play.  I don&#039;t doubt ND would have scored had they only had one play.  It&#039;d be pretty darn difficult for the Purdue safety or LB or whatever at 6&#039;1&quot; and 220 lbs, to stop ND&#039;s highly talented 6&#039;6&quot; 260 lb 5 star TE.

ND was going to spike the ball to change personnel and get all the time they wanted to run the one play they were extremely confident in. Instead, they were given the opportunity to try one other play first.

Hence, I think Coach Hope&#039;s decision to call time out was a smart decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For scenario 2, there is a lot of stupid commentary in this comments section that doesn&#8217;t understand whats going on.</p>
<p>ND &amp; Clausen were sucking?  Clausen played a total of 4 or 5 series total in the entire game, due to injury.  On the drive that had ND in the Purdue red zone at the end of the game, Clausen had gone 6/9 for 70 yards.  Clausen was on fire getting ND DEEP into Purdue&#8217;s red zone.</p>
<p>And based on ND&#8217;s last 3-4 games, ND has been top 15 in the country for scoring points.  </p>
<p>Hence, Coach Hopes assumption that ND is going to score is a pretty safe bet.  Doesn&#8217;t matter if its one or 2 plays, ND is probably going to score.</p>
<p>In fact, in the last 5 ND games, ND has never been stopped when within the 10 yard line of the opposing team.  They have always walked away with points.</p>
<p>Likewise, the 4th down play that Weis was going to spike the ball and call was a play the coach was extremely confident in (its a Patriots staple that SmartFootball/Chris Brown even wrote about when describing routes that Wes Welker runs &#8230; <a href="http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/happy-feet-how-wes-welker-makes-the-patriots-go/" rel="nofollow">http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/happy-feet-how-wes-welker-makes-the-patriots-go/</a> &#8230; see diagram 1, flip play, change personnel &amp; formation and bingo, that&#8217;s the play ND won the game on).</p>
<p>Yes, Weis got to call an extra play. But Coach Weis was also extremely confident in his 4th down play.  I don&#8217;t doubt ND would have scored had they only had one play.  It&#8217;d be pretty darn difficult for the Purdue safety or LB or whatever at 6&#8217;1&#8243; and 220 lbs, to stop ND&#8217;s highly talented 6&#8217;6&#8243; 260 lb 5 star TE.</p>
<p>ND was going to spike the ball to change personnel and get all the time they wanted to run the one play they were extremely confident in. Instead, they were given the opportunity to try one other play first.</p>
<p>Hence, I think Coach Hope&#8217;s decision to call time out was a smart decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/game-management/two-coaching-decisions-a-review/comment-page-2#comment-1140</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site has the best model I have seen for pro football and this article dicusses end of game situations and why a pure Expected Value approach is not appropriate.

http://www.footballcommentary.com/earlygame.htm

Looking at one of the tables in that link shows a lot of non linearity in the probabilty of winning around the 8 points mark at the begining of the fourth quarter.  That seems to show that Expected Points is clearly not the right metric in that situation.

It is a shame that the site seems to no longer be live.  Maybe Brian Burke from Andvanced NFL Stats can run the Texas Tech situation through his win probability model and see what the answer would be for the pros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site has the best model I have seen for pro football and this article dicusses end of game situations and why a pure Expected Value approach is not appropriate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.footballcommentary.com/earlygame.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.footballcommentary.com/earlygame.htm</a></p>
<p>Looking at one of the tables in that link shows a lot of non linearity in the probabilty of winning around the 8 points mark at the begining of the fourth quarter.  That seems to show that Expected Points is clearly not the right metric in that situation.</p>
<p>It is a shame that the site seems to no longer be live.  Maybe Brian Burke from Andvanced NFL Stats can run the Texas Tech situation through his win probability model and see what the answer would be for the pros.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://smartfootball.com/game-management/two-coaching-decisions-a-review/comment-page-1#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As other people have noted, as the end of regulation nears, the expected value of points (EVP) and expected win % (EW) diverge. In theory (excluding impressing polls), expected win total should be the deciding factor in all coaching decisions. 

In order to make the optimal decision, Coach Leach would need to weigh the EW of and respective probabilities of the following:
A. Go for it and score touchdown on 4th. Up 12-Houston gets ball at approximately their own 30 yard line)
B. Go for it and fail to score touchdown. Up 5-Houston gets ball at approximately their own 1 yard line)
C. Successful FG. Up 8-Houston gets ball at approximately their own 30 yard line)
D. Unsuccessful FG. Up 5- Houston gets ball at the 20 yard line. 

If he feels that P(A)*EW(A)+P(B)*EW(B)&gt;P(C)*EW(C)+P(D)*EW(D) then he should go for it; if he feels otherwise, he should kick. According to advanced NFL stats, P(A)=.68, therefore P(B)=.32 I can&#039;t find anything about FG probability, but assuming the Tech Kicker makes the kick 95% of the time, we get

.68EW(A)+.32EW(B) vs .95EW(C)+.05EW(D)

The EWs are practically impossible to predict, however it stands to reason that:
1. EW(A)&gt;EW(B)&gt;EW(D) 
2. EW(A)&gt;EW(C)&gt;EW(D)
3. EW(B) vs EW(C) is ambiguous as one could argue the 29 extra yards of field position and the chance to record a safety help Texas Tech as much as the field goal. 

If one feels that EW(B) is greater than OR EQUAL TO EW(C), then going for it was NECCESSARILY the right decision. 
-setting EW(B)=EW(C), we get the equation .68A+.32B vs .63C+.32B+.05D
-remove .32(B) from each side
.68A vs .63C +.05D
.63A+.05A vs .63C+.05D
.63A&gt;.63C; .05A&gt;.05D therefore .63A+.05A&gt;.63C+.05D

In fact there would need to be a substantial difference between EW(B) and EW(C) in order for kicking the FG to be worth it. For example, if 
EW(A)=95%
EW(B)=70%
EW(C)=88%
EW(D)=65%
going for it (EW%=87) is still superior to kicking the FG (86.85). That&#039;s a pretty optimistic EW for kicking the FG (or pessimistic view of going for it), yet rolling the dice is still (marginally) superior. Playing around with the numbers can yield interesting results. 

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AkPHyEHn9kQSdE9VTXRsMkNMYnFVZGJmVF8tRjVreFE&amp;hl=en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As other people have noted, as the end of regulation nears, the expected value of points (EVP) and expected win % (EW) diverge. In theory (excluding impressing polls), expected win total should be the deciding factor in all coaching decisions. </p>
<p>In order to make the optimal decision, Coach Leach would need to weigh the EW of and respective probabilities of the following:<br />
A. Go for it and score touchdown on 4th. Up 12-Houston gets ball at approximately their own 30 yard line)<br />
B. Go for it and fail to score touchdown. Up 5-Houston gets ball at approximately their own 1 yard line)<br />
C. Successful FG. Up 8-Houston gets ball at approximately their own 30 yard line)<br />
D. Unsuccessful FG. Up 5- Houston gets ball at the 20 yard line. </p>
<p>If he feels that P(A)*EW(A)+P(B)*EW(B)&gt;P(C)*EW(C)+P(D)*EW(D) then he should go for it; if he feels otherwise, he should kick. According to advanced NFL stats, P(A)=.68, therefore P(B)=.32 I can&#8217;t find anything about FG probability, but assuming the Tech Kicker makes the kick 95% of the time, we get</p>
<p>.68EW(A)+.32EW(B) vs .95EW(C)+.05EW(D)</p>
<p>The EWs are practically impossible to predict, however it stands to reason that:<br />
1. EW(A)&gt;EW(B)&gt;EW(D)<br />
2. EW(A)&gt;EW(C)&gt;EW(D)<br />
3. EW(B) vs EW(C) is ambiguous as one could argue the 29 extra yards of field position and the chance to record a safety help Texas Tech as much as the field goal. </p>
<p>If one feels that EW(B) is greater than OR EQUAL TO EW(C), then going for it was NECCESSARILY the right decision.<br />
-setting EW(B)=EW(C), we get the equation .68A+.32B vs .63C+.32B+.05D<br />
-remove .32(B) from each side<br />
.68A vs .63C +.05D<br />
.63A+.05A vs .63C+.05D<br />
.63A&gt;.63C; .05A&gt;.05D therefore .63A+.05A&gt;.63C+.05D</p>
<p>In fact there would need to be a substantial difference between EW(B) and EW(C) in order for kicking the FG to be worth it. For example, if<br />
EW(A)=95%<br />
EW(B)=70%<br />
EW(C)=88%<br />
EW(D)=65%<br />
going for it (EW%=87) is still superior to kicking the FG (86.85). That&#8217;s a pretty optimistic EW for kicking the FG (or pessimistic view of going for it), yet rolling the dice is still (marginally) superior. Playing around with the numbers can yield interesting results. </p>
<p><a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AkPHyEHn9kQSdE9VTXRsMkNMYnFVZGJmVF8tRjVreFE&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AkPHyEHn9kQSdE9VTXRsMkNMYnFVZGJmVF8tRjVreFE&amp;hl=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: KungFuPanda9</title>
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		<dc:creator>KungFuPanda9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kick the field goal, get three points, make it an eight point lead. Heck, even if you consider your math probability of 2.5 it&#039;s still insurmountble considering your opponenet has to score a touchdown and  two point conversion. The conversion alone makes the eight point lead even larger because the odds of making that play is considerably higher than the PAT.

As for Purdue and the ill-timed time out. Bad call. Let the clock be your friend, unless your defense is so pitiful they aren&#039;t capable of making two stops.

Working the numbers and stating the probabilities are theoretically interesting. But reality has made it plain that both of these calls were incorrect. In fact, over time, they would be incorrect more times than not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kick the field goal, get three points, make it an eight point lead. Heck, even if you consider your math probability of 2.5 it&#8217;s still insurmountble considering your opponenet has to score a touchdown and  two point conversion. The conversion alone makes the eight point lead even larger because the odds of making that play is considerably higher than the PAT.</p>
<p>As for Purdue and the ill-timed time out. Bad call. Let the clock be your friend, unless your defense is so pitiful they aren&#8217;t capable of making two stops.</p>
<p>Working the numbers and stating the probabilities are theoretically interesting. But reality has made it plain that both of these calls were incorrect. In fact, over time, they would be incorrect more times than not.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scenario 1 reminded me of a Powerlineblog.com post I read on a Redskins&#039; win.  The gist is, that if you kick the FG you are putting the game in the hands of your defense alone to stop the opponent (albeit a better position with an 8 point rather than a 5 point lead).  By going for it you are affording yourself two ways to win.  Your offense can win by punching it in, and your defense can win by stopping a 99 yard drive.  And under the two ways to win option, your D is put in a great position b/c the opponent&#039;s offense is backed up.  The likelihood that you get a stop and get the ball back, close to FG range, is pretty good.  I think it&#039;s a no-brainer.  In a &quot;track meet&quot; game you go for the points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scenario 1 reminded me of a Powerlineblog.com post I read on a Redskins&#8217; win.  The gist is, that if you kick the FG you are putting the game in the hands of your defense alone to stop the opponent (albeit a better position with an 8 point rather than a 5 point lead).  By going for it you are affording yourself two ways to win.  Your offense can win by punching it in, and your defense can win by stopping a 99 yard drive.  And under the two ways to win option, your D is put in a great position b/c the opponent&#8217;s offense is backed up.  The likelihood that you get a stop and get the ball back, close to FG range, is pretty good.  I think it&#8217;s a no-brainer.  In a &#8220;track meet&#8221; game you go for the points.</p>
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